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Sent: 02 August 2022 23:30 Hi. Is there a link on your site where I can search for my grandad. All I have is a document called short service which looks to be when/how he signed up in 1914. Thanks. Hi Shaun No there is no list
but if you send all the info you have to me I will get our researcher
to see what he can find His Attestation Papers records
his Regimental Number as 13165 (top left corner ). First Name: Campaign Medals: The medal was automatically awarded
in the event of death on active service before the completion of this
period. Eligibility for this award consisted
of having been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres
of operations, or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight,
11th/12th November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military
organisations in a theatre of operations were also eligible.
First Name:
Was difficult to find as he is recorded under his ASC number M/404893 in the ASC Regimental Entry.....as a Lancashire Fusilier...9th Battalion
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From a medal I found in the family
tin along with my grandfathers medals I came across a medal
so decided to research it . On doing so ,on the cwgc site I saw several
soldiers from Yours Good Afternoon
Valerie Regards Many thanks for your reply .
Unfortunately who you mentioned is not correct . His name was
First Name: Campaign Medals: British War Medal
The medal was automatically awarded
in the event of death on active service before the completion of this
period. Eligibility for this award consisted
of having been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres
of operations, or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight,
Good Evening Valerie
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_fn=William&_ln=Bibby+&_no=18473&_crp=Lancashire+Fusiliers+&_ttl=&discoveryCustomSearch=true&_cr1=WO+372&
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Tom Bailey No. 11217
Rank L/Cpl
Good Evening Raymond....this is a long email. Please acknowledge receipt. First and foremost may I be allowed to complement your on an excellent piece of research. As far as I can see nothing needs correcting in the PDF. However, in respect of the date 3rd May, 1918. I think I may have unintentionally misled led you. As I said previously? he has 5 entries on the Forces War Records Web Site. The entry in respect of the date 3.5.18. is the actual report date related to him being wounded and thereafter being permitted to wear a wound stripe. It is NOT the date he was actually wounded. Please see below for the actual entry. See later below I think it highly probable that he was wounded shortly before this date during action in the Ayette area.
First Name: Campaign Medals: The medal was automatically awarded in the
event of death on active service before the completion of this period.
Eligibility for this award consisted of having been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres of operations, or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military organisations in a theatre of operations were also eligible. Further from the Forces War Record Web Site. This is the entry in respect of his field treatment by the 92nd Field Ambulance, No 10 Ambulance Train. First Name: Evening Geoff |
Henry Boulton Smith. AKA H.B.Smith 10th Bn Pvt 4462 Good Afternoon Den https://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/tourspostings/10LFToursPostings.htm Careful reading of the 10th Bn page will give you an insight into the war time actions of the Battalion His entries on the Forces War
Record Web Site (3) which I assume you will have seen, confirms his Service
as being from 31.8.14. until 19.05.16. He was discharged under Paragraph
392 Kings Regulations (xvi) as being no longer fit for war service. He
was awarded a Silver War Badge the number actually being 206,923. Now then...to answer your specific questions. Unfortunately one of the major hurdles to the military researcher was the loss of millions of records during the London Blitz of 1940. The then War Office Central Records Depository at Arnside Street London was destroyed by incendiary bombs and amongst the millions of records lost were the Service Records of WWI Veterans. Below is a link for further information regarding the consequences of the fire and losses. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/the-1940-fire-at-arnside-street/#:~:text=It%20is%20widely%20known%20that,an%20air%20raid%20in%201940. A small number of Service Records were recovered from the burnt out building and are now held by the National Archives in what is known as the Burnt Records Collection. Again a small number of Pension Records are also held by the National Archives along with a limited miscellany of other documents that were recovered. I have checked the National Archives for a Service Record and / or a Pension Records for Pvt 4462 H B Smith but none are recorded. The loss of Service Records makes it virtually impossible to gain information on individual WWI Veterans and I am therefore unable to answer your specific questions about his service or indeed any questions / queries regarding his pension or injuries. I should perhaps point out that the Fusilier Museum, Bury do not hold any information on individual Veterans of WWI and they too would refer you to the National Archives. As I am sure you are well aware
their are numerous Internet search engines dedicated to family research
such as Ancestry.com or findmypast.com along with several others of a
similar nature. (all subscription based). It should be bourne in mind
that although they often turn up information on individuals the details
recorded about WWI Veterans will have invariably been gleaned from the
National Archives. It is the only source of accurate verifiable information.
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SGT 13933 Francis Purcell Good Afternoon James Hello Geoff. Thank you for your prompt response. I have not done any previous research on the websites you mention. From family stories I know that my great uncle Sgt. Francis Purcell was killed in the trenches at the Somme. He was a kind of a radio operator. And I think he is memorialised at Thiepval, since I was told his body was never recovered (probably buried by a mortar bomb in the trenches). Any information you can supply will be helpful. Regards, James Good Evening James Click on this link for further information. https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1549742/francis-purcell/ Please also look at the link I sent you earlier to the 17th Bn page I'll get back to you later. Regards First Name: The medal was automatically awarded in the
event of death on active service before the completion of this period. Eligibility for this award consisted of having
been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres of operations,
or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th
November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military organisations
in a theatre of operations were also eligible.
Two attachments.....Medal Card and Medal Entitlement ancestry.com. I will leave to absorb the information above. However....... If you go to the Index Page on the Web Site and scroll down the page you will find links to Volume 1 and 2 of the History of the Lancashire Fusiliers 1914- 18 by Major -General J.C. Latter, CBE., MC. Scroll through the pages for more information. The link I gave you earlier to the 17th Battalion contained a Calendar of Movements. The War Diaries can be downloaded from the National Archives. That's all for the time being. If we can assist further please get back to us. Regards |
Dear DJ Laverick, Hi Dennis Thanks for checking in! The search continues.
But Geoff will not give up and he found this Hi Felix First Name: L W Dennis it will be seen from the postings gallery that in September 1916 the 13th Reserve Bn LF became the 15th Training Reserve Battalion in the 3rd Reserve Brigade. The attached link explains what happened. It may be of use to Felix. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/training-reserve/
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Dear Sir,
I am trying to find out as much as possible about my late grandfathers army career and Im hoping you ma be able to assist? His full name was Abel Earith and he was born in 1912 and served with the Lancashire Fusiliers during World War 2, I believe as a water truck driver (possibly amongst other roles). He was evacuated from Dunkirk and I have the medal, which he received, relating to this event (see attached) I know he was also in Burma (and I was told that he may have subsequently been hospitalised for mental health reasons at some point during/after this conflict). Other than that, Im afraid I know very little. Id be intrigued to know any further detail about the Lancashire Fusiliers exploits during the war, and, obviously, anything specifically relating to my grandfathers involvement would be of particular interest. I would be happy to make a donation to the website in recognition of any assistance rendered. Many Thanks Patrick Earith Good Afternoon Patrick Many thanks for your email. Unfortunately individuals service records from this period are not held locally. You would need to apply in person for a copy of his Service Record from the Historical Disclosure Department of the Army Records Office in Glasgow. Only a family member can do this. That said bona fide researchers can obtain copies but they are truncated records and don't provide the minutiae of information often expected. I have placed a link below which explains how to go about obtaining a Service Record. The Service Record will provide all the information you seek. You will get his full record. https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records If he served in France with the BEF then in all probability he was at that time a member of the 1st/5th Bn. In his later service in Burma would have been with either the 1st Bn, 10th Bn or the 1st/8th Bn. I would strongly suspect he was in the 1st/8th Bn as they had a large contingent of former BEF Veterans within their ranks. If you click on the link below it will take you to the Postings Gallery where you can click on each of his battalions in turn and read of their war time actions. Follow the instructions at the head of each new page that you open https://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/tourspostings/postings.htm If we can assist further please get back to
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Geoff's latest research is a little different as it includes the soldier service record most where distroyed in the blitz these are one few the few which servived its the story of Harry Read Click here to see the feature |
Dear Sir ,
Good Morning Charles He has one entry on the Forces War Records Web Site as shown below. He was a member of the 2nd Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers. Click on this link to take you to the 2nd Bn page on the LF Web Site. Follow the instructions at the head of the page. https://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/tourspostings/2LFToursPostings.htm Please find as an attachment copies of his Medal Card held by ancestry.com and his Regimental Entry in respect of the medal Rolls. Sadly as you say his Service Record would have been destroyed during the London Blitz when the War Office Central Records Depository at Arnside Street London was destroyed by incendiary bombs. Hope you find this information of use.
Campaign Medals: The medal was automatically awarded
in the event of death on active service before the completion of this
period. Eligibility for this award consisted of having been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres of operations, or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military organisations in a theatre of operations were also eligible. |
Original message;
Hi, https://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/tourspostings/postings.htm Geoff Pycroft
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Subject: Re: Joseph Hill #
117 Sergeant in Lancashire Fusiliers andSergeant-Major in RAF #186074
subsequent to WWI
Good Evening Garth -------- Original message -------- Good afternoon and my apologies,
I am not sure who I should contact with my enquiry re the above. Your
links to your database do not work for me for some reason, again my apologies. |
Good Afternoon David
Many thanks for your email. I am of course unaware of the depth of your research to date but I will assume you have viewed the LF Web Site page for the 2nd Bn and the various mentions of the Italian Campaign and the Cassino area actions in particular? I have run your father's name through the LF Web Search Engine but sadly he has not had a previous mention. I have also checked various other material particularly the History of the Lancashire Fusiliers 1939-45 by John Hallam. He is shown on page 214 (Appendix Honours and Awards 1939-45) which records his award of the MC as Lieut. A. Briggs-Fish 2LF. As you will know seemingly endless books have been written about the Italian Campaign and the Battle for Cassino but I have not found any reference to him in the books I have (other than as above). The mention of C. Cassino does not readily spring to mind I'm afraid with my very limited knowledge. Page 163 of Janusz Piekalkiewicz's book Cassino... .Anatomy of a Battle states.... "The German summer defence of 1944 was formed by three lines which were to various the way to Rome - the Gustav Line which ran across the Rapido, the Adolf Hitler line, 9km behind it built around Xmas 1943 and also known as the Senger Line and beyond that south of Rome the Caeser Line." Perhaps C. Cassino us a reference to the Caeser Line? Without trying to teach you to ' suck eggs ' as you will no doubt know, Service Records of WWII Veterans are not held locally nor on a regimental basis. All such records are held by the Army Records Office in Glasgow. Should you wish to obtain a copy of his Service Record the number you would have to make a personal application to the Historical Disclosures Office of the Army Records Office. I have placed a link below to the GovUK Website that explains how to go about obtaining a Service Record. Sadly due to the ongoing pandemic severe delays are being experienced in obtaining Service Records. This is the link. His Service Record should answer a lot of questions for you. The Fusilier Museum Bury do not hold any records of individual Veterans and they too would refer you to the Army Records Office. https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records Regards |
Good afternoon Geoff, hope
you are keeping well.
Id be interested in some help with researching someone I Believe to be my Great Grandfather. Dad (Dave Yarnall ex Mortar Plt 1LF) would have been thrilled if he found out his Great Grandad had been an LF aswell. John Yarnall born Birmingham 1851. I know that he married Margaret (Meehan or McCready) in 1889 or 1890 and was discharged from the fusiliers in Salford in 1889/90 after 9 years service. Apparently his number was 488. I also know he lived at 3 David Street in Salford. Gentleman I spoke to beloved him to have served
with the first battalion. Postings to Malta, Cyprus and Bermuda. But
that does make sense when I look at 1st battalion postings and his discharge
date. Thanks Chris
Yarnall (Dave Yarnalls) Son J Yarnall |
Hi,
Please could you assist with my great grandfathers military history. 772 A.CPL.W(William) E Brown . Lancashire Fusiliers I have inherited his service medals from WW1. Hope you can help Regards Daren Brown Good Evening Daren Please read to the very bottom of what is a long email. Your grandfather served in the 1st Bn and the 3rd Bn Lancashire Fusiliers. See the attachments (2). 1. His medal entitlement as recorded with the National Archives. 2. His entry with Ancestry.com. This is his entry on the Forces War Records Web Site. William E Brown Campaign Medals: Eligibility for this award consisted of having
been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres of operations,
or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th
November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military organisations
in a theatre of operations were also eligible. The medal was automatically awarded in the
event of death on active service before the completion of this period. |
Arnold Mills MM Hello, David Mills Click on this link for his entry on the
Medal Rolls held at the National Archives He has 6 entries on the Forces War Records
Web one of which records him as a member of the 11th Bn LF. When with
the 11th on 5.9.16. He was withdrawn by ambulance train due to sickness.
...Rheumatism. It was quite common throughout WWI for local newspapers to carry reports of awards to ' locals' often giving details of the reason for the award. It may be worth spending time researching the archives of newspapers from his home town....they often give up detailed accounts. I will perhaps leave you for now to absorb the information. If you go to the Home Page of the LF Web Site and click on the button " Postings Gallery " you can read of the actions of each of the battalions in which he served. Should you need further assistance please get back to me. Geoff Pycroft Some further reading for you about the 29th Division. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/29th_Division_(United_Kingdom) |
Earlier this year we were contacted
by Elena Galesso who lives in Malfalcone near Gorizia, North East Italy.
She was seeking information regarding the WWI Battle Signs worn on LF's
uniforms and the occasional use of a representation of the Primrose Hackle
on war time helmets. Elena is a model maker of extraordinary talent and
her latest project was to be a model a WWI LF from the 15th Bn. She promised
to forward photographs of the completed model. It was made from a white
metal kit from Andrea Miniatures and came unassembled and unpainted. Elena
hand painted it in acrylic on assembly and it stands approximately 55mm
in 1/32 scale. (just over 2 inches). I think you will agree that the finished
model is exquisite and the detail outstanding. Elena lives in an area
of Northern Italy which she says is steeped in WWI history all around
her.
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First Name: R Surname: Lord
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From Geoff It would appear this is the gentleman you are talking about First Name: J A Surname: Davenport Incident Details: War Office Daily List No.5734 Report Date: 28/11/1918 Rank: Captain Casualty Listed As: Released Prisoner of War from Germany, arrived in England Lancashire Fusiliers Archive Reference: NLS 1918_WList70 Lancashire Fusiliers during World War 1 Collection: British Army daily reports - missing, dead, wounded & POWs - WWI Campaign Medals: Eligibility for this award consisted of having
been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres of operations,
or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th
November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military organisations
in a theatre of operations were also eligible. Sadly trying to trace relatives is a very
difficult area. We are often asked to trace relatives of a WW1 Veteran
to say return a medal that has been ' found '. Unfortunately as you
will probably know all records relating to WW1 Veterans are held by
the National Archives. Therein lies a major problem.The information
you have to date will have been gleaned from the National Archives.
It is the only source. ALL on line search engines will have got their
information from the National Archives. The POW details will have been
taken from the the intelligence reports. Again as you will probably
know the majority of records relating to WW1 Veterans were destroyed
during the London Blitz of 1940 when the War Office Central Records
Depository was gutted by firebombs. Any remaining recovered records
particularly Service Records are over 100 years old and any NOK details
are hopelessly out of date. Your only source of information are the
surviving records held by the National Archives which I'm afraid will
not be very helpful in respect of your request. The Fusiliers Museum
Bury do not hold any records and they too would refer you to the National
Archives.
If any relatives read this please contact us |
Campaign Medals: Eligibility for this award
consisted of having been mobilised, fighting, having served in any
of the theatres of operations, or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th
August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th November, 1918. Women who served
in any of the various military organisations in a theatre of operations
were also eligible. Memorial Death Plaque Of
WWI
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Name: John Thomas Partington
Military Year: 1914-1920 Rank: Private Company: WO 329 Regiment or Corps: Lancashire Fusiliers Regiment Number: 66639 Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal ![]() ![]() |
First Name:James Surname: Ferguson Information: Attached 2/5th Battalion. Territorial Force. Rank:Temporary 2nd Lieutenant Gazette Info: Gazette Issue 31583. M.C. With reference to the Awards conferred as announced in the London Gazette, dated 8th March, 1919, the following are the statements of services for which the decorations were conferred. For conspicuous gallantry and good work during operations south of Lillie on the night 16th-17th October, 1918. He commanded a patrol of eleven men. Which pushed over two canals during the night on the heels of the enemy in order that his company might advance in the morning. Finding that the second canal was covered by the enemy, he attacked them, forced them to retire, and established a bridge-head in order that his company might pass. Gazette Date: 03/10/1919 Gazette Page: 12289 Service: British Army Regiment: Lancashire Regiment Lancashire Regiment during World War 1 More information about Lancashire Regiment Formed: 1958 The Lancashire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Volunteers) was an infantry regiment of the British Army. It was formed, as a consequence
of defence cuts implemented in the late 1950s, by the amalgamation of
the 1st Battalion, The East Lancashire Regiment and 1st Battalion, The
South... read more here >> Gallantry Awards: This decoration was awarded to James Ferguson for an act or acts of exemplary gallantry during active operations against the enemy. The Military Cross (M.C.) is awarded for gallantry during active operations against the enemy. James Ferguson,as an owner of the Military Cross, is entitled to use the letters M.C. after his name. Citations for the M.C. were published
in the London Gazette during the Great War. However if the M.C. was a
King's Birthday or New Year award, details were not published and in most
cases will not be available.
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